Hi David, heres some scripture.

Ephesians 4:3-6 "Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit thru the bond of peace. There is one body and one spirit - just as you were called to one hope when you were called - one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and thru all and in all"!

We are called to war, when those in the church systems; rebuke or block us, from bringing truths to them. We are called to war if satan attacks us personally by whatever means. We are called to war if any man trys to break into our house, or trys to harm our familys, or ourselves. And we are called to war, to deliver ourselves from darkness and bondage! Because the bible says, "O Zion, deliver thyself". Other than that, we are called to peace, and striving to keep the unity of the spirit! amen....

To Bill613, thats a good question. It depends on wat christian religion you are referring to. Sunday keepers have a different Jesus, than sabbath keepers. And the bible tells us, there are different christs. By this, I mean that, if Satan materialized and pretended to be Jesus; saying, "yes I have changed ths 7th day sabbath to sunday sacredness". Then this "jesus" is the anti-messiah. If this "Jesus" said that all souls are immortal, then this would be the anti-messiah.. Because the bible teaches saturday sacredness, and that man is not immortal, unless Yashua and the Father, give you immortality.

Now a vision was given to a sister White in the early 1900's about satan manifesting as jesus. She said she saw he would appear exactly as the description given in Revelations 1: 13-16 - And there was one like the son of man, his hair and head was white like wool, and white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire. And his feet like fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters. He had in his right hand seven stars and out of his mouth a sharp two edged sword. His countenance was like the sun in its greatest strength.

This is what satan will look like when he manifests as Jesus, and his doctrine will be sunday sacredness and immortality of all souls. This is the christ of sunday keeping churches, or at least the doctrines they preach, so they will fall in line with satan, especially if he is allowed to impersonate Yashua from a biblical reference like Revelations 1:13-16.. Now sabbath keeping christians will know this is a false christ, because only the sabbath is sacred and we know man is not immortal, we will not follow or believe this brilliant entity is Jesus, but will know this is satan pretending to be Jesus. The sunday keeping churches are setting themselves up for a fall, by the doctrines they preach. Its too bad too, because many dear, wonderful people are trapped in these stuctures who truely love the Lord. God has an answer to all of this, his ways are higher than ours, and his wisdom is better than ours. God has a plan, to counter Lucifer/satan manifesting like this. It will be the New Jerusalem landing on earth to start up the kingdom of God age, spoken of in Dan 2:44..

That was a good question Bill613, I can only hope you find this answer. You might be gone now..peace

O.K Wiz, lets go and play chess with this.

point # 1- Lucifer used free will, and made some choices that changed him, hence he became over time, the devil. He could have chosen not to do that, but he did choose that path. The serpent didnt eat of rotten fruit, it ate of the tree of good and evil. In doing that it gained a dual nature, of good and evil! Eve followed, and ate of the tree of good and evil. In doing that she gained a dual nature of good and evil. This is seen by her reply to God, saying the serpent made me do it. Thats an evil reply, the serpent tricked her, he didnt make her. If she had never eaten of the fruit, she coulndt have replied that way, but only in truth. Adam ate because he believed God when He said, you will die if you eat of this. Adam loved Eve so much, he decided to die with her. Adam was not tricked like Eve was, he made a choice, to die with her. Being naked was not an issue, untill the dual nature came into them. Also Adam and Eve were clothed in pure light, they lost that light covering when they ate of the fruit, and were naked then. So they took leaves to cover up with. Checkmate!

Point # 2 - I dont feel all of John is made up. God is the God of the living, we are alive arnt we? Also the resurrection completes the consumation of God being Lord of the living. I have definatly been lied to all of my life. But the bible, to include John, has let me see the lies, so I can walk in truth. Without the bible, to include John, I would not know the difference. Because John says in 1 John 4:1-4 - to tests the spirits, that a false spirit will not confess Jesus came in the flesh to die for us, so we can be delivered from sin and death, or the prison house.. I have used Johns council to tests the spirts, and it wotks very well. So John is not false, but telling the truth about testing the spirits..Lucifer made a choice to become satan, using free will, he rebelled against God, and became satan in the process. checkmate!

Point # 3 - Wizanda, I love you too!I beleive the books of John and Paul are worth mentioning. Thers very good council in them. Also a fundamental fact is this; you cannot pass a lie without piggybacking it onto a truth. In other words if John and Paul have a lie to pass, then its got to be coated with truth. Or simply stating in another way is this, 80-90% of Pauls and John writings have to be truth, to get 10-20% lies passed. So at the very least only 10-20% is a lie, the rest is truth. And that only applys if they are false teachers, which I feel they are not. And if they are then at least 80% is truth, to pass the lie...checkmate!

point # 4 - If you make a point and break it? Do you mean like saying there is no satan, then when I showed you from the old testament there is a satan, then you said O.K., there is a satan! But you just said that to break your point, to make your point. I know wat you mean as I do this sometimes myself. However that does not change the truth of Lucifer using free choice to rebell, which turned him into satan..The truth is still the truth. Checkmate!

point # 5 - if you are the angel of Rev 10, then wat are the 7 thunders? I know wat they are, they are seven messages. Each given in chronological order, starting in 1844, with the return of the 7th day sabbath back to the churches, all things that have been destroyed by the papecy, that the early church had, heve been restored in chronological order, thus fulflling the "mystery of God".. The last 2 messages given is that the Holy Spirit is the mother of us all, and that the Holy Ghost is Jesus twin sister, and is also the spirit that lives in every born again believer. All 7 messages have been restored that the papecy killed during her reign. Thats 3 of the 7, can you tell me what the other 4 are? I check you! Not checkmate, but check?

point # 6 - I believe it says that satan approached Yashua in the wilderness, he did not come from inside him. Also the devil took him to a mountian top and offerd him his kingdom, if Yashua would only bow down to him.. You cannot accept a kingdom from a feeling like ego, but only from an entity. Also you cannot bow down and worship a feeling, but only a visible entity, that used free will to become satan, who was once Lucifer. God even says that he was perfect in all his ways, untill he used free will to rebel, to become satan. For this rebellion, he will be burned up in front of the saints..Sounds like an entity to me, and not a feeling or an emotion. I have to checkmate you on that one..

point # 7 - You really have to decondition yourself wizanda.. Just because you had an out of the body experience and seen some things, doesnt mean you seen it all. I have been out of the body too, there are appearently 144,000 levels of astral planes. This is split into darkness and light levels. When an angel takes you on a tour, you are subject to its direction. However when ya leave your body on your own cognizance, you can direct the journey. Which I did, I found Lucifer hiding in the light astral planes, and his dual nature he gained from using his free choice to rebel, or satan; I found hiding in the dark astral planes. They are there all right! You are basing to much on a limited journey, which was not all comprehensive. You need to check yourself..You have been to england and spain, but have ya ever been to timbucktoo? Just because you have never seen it, doesnt mean it dont exist..checkmate

point # 8 - yep I seen some of the freddy films, dont like em.. But not because I am afraid, because I am not. It just glorifys evil to much. Its the same with the exorcist, it glorifys evil to much. If ya notice they dont use the authority of Yashuas name to cast out the demon, but use evrything else. That film is from satan/the vatican; to glorify satan.. Playing crds with god, is a win, win situation; if ya are his friend. But like satan, its a losing proposition. I never said satan was going to win. Where did you get that at? I know the bible says hes going to lose, because it says in Ez 28 - that God will burn him up, in front of the saints. Again, Lucifer, using free will, rebelled agianst God, and that rebellion transformed him into satan. Satan is not created by humans, our beliefs do not decide if he lives or dies. Ego on the other hand can be killed by us as an individual, by using free will to choose to not have an ego. But this in no way destroys satan because he existed before Adam and Eve, as a fallen angel. Its the same things as choosing to not believe in God, as many humns have chosen to do that. However God is not based on human belief. He stands alone without human thoughts in this area. If every human on earth died, ther would still be God, and its the same with satan! We gained a dual nature because of the sin of Adam and Eve eating of the tree of evil and good. That is what creates ego in man, or we can decide not to have ego. The choice is ours. This does not mean satan exists or doesnt exist because of that choice. The bible in the old testament and new testament is full of evidence that Lucifer/satan is real enough and has an active force to use, and this has nothing to do with whether we believe in the devil or not. Just like God, he exists also whether we believe in him or not..checkmate -big time!

Your confusing the issue Wiz, the devil can suggest, but its our choice!

ps - I still think you are mind controlled, did you look up cathys website, Tranceformastion of America? They can help you..loving you brother. Its not your fault, the devil did it to you..lol

Hi David, hey man; I was just trying to Help wiz out. If I feel he might be mind controlled, and I say something about it; I am just trying to help him.. Not to start a war or anything like that. I mean if ya had something wrong but didnt know it, and someone else saw it, wouldnt ya want them to say something in an appropiate way. I might have been a little testy when I said that, and for that I apologize.. But that doesnt change the fact he might be mind controlled.. See what I mean..