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brendalee
Re: The cause of differences and quarrel among beliefs? Posted on: 2005/6/9 20:21
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thankyou for your comments and apologies.

Now, iwould like to say this ... of course we are souls, eternal beings living in bodies. But even though God is love He is also many other things like discipline. He is justice and truth and sovereign. He says throughout teh bible that there is a hell and punishment and we may receive such. He also says that there is but once to die and after that the judgement.

He has struck people including lying christains( they lied to the Holy Spirit) to death. He still does. We are inthe end times and this will happen more and so will terrible things. Famine, earthquakes, occult worship, pestilence ect...

These have been prophesied by every religion including the old testament. So that is why things are worse. Jesus said this would happen right before he came back. so much more so than ever in history.

I just know that not everything can be proved by science as of yet. Like I said, we don't even know how to cure the common cold, we only know how to nurse it.
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qOLOp
Re: The cause of differences and quarrel among beliefs? Posted on: 2005/6/9 17:34

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I'd like to apologize if you felt resented about my statements. That wasn't my objective. My objective is to share something which is reasonable, something which i didn't make up, but what I found to be the truth after further examination.
Something which is not about blind faith.

You perceive your own way of who God is and you have your believes and I respect that. I am not trying to change that; however, when scientific knowledge is placed as "proof" of a believe and that "proof" is not properly explained. then I feel that it is important to clarify some points. A rational question cannot be explained through a belief.

God is within the realm of a experience. It is not in the realm of a scientific formula; the knowledge of the beginning, middle and end of this world; however is not a matter of belief.
God is uncapable of "punishing us", however, some believe that. It is inconsistent with a loving being. Feelings are the language of the soul. Through feelings and not words we can have the experience of another soul, beyond the words and beyond the physical senses.Through meditation we can experience that. God being love, peace, knowledge, bliss and happiness cannot sacrifice a son, cannot punish anyone...
Once we realize who we are. Once we realize that we are a soul, a point of light, very subtle and very unique, then we can learn to relate with God, in soul consciousness, then we can learn to feel really what love is, peace is, bliss is. How can we pretend to know God if we believe that we are perishable bodies? It is an illusion. The mirage needs to dissapear before we can start seeing how things really are.
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brendalee
Re: The cause of differences and quarrel among beliefs? Posted on: 2005/6/9 3:57
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well not to anger catholics but we are not of the same faith. their catacism says the same things that we believe but each termonology means something else. Like born again means a spiritual rebirth to us and something entirely different to them. But there are spirit-filled catholics and they beleive what I do. even protestants believe differently from each other. It is denominational differnces. We still have the same basis for our faith. I am not saying that catholics are not christains. But some of them will actually say that if I ask,"are you a christain?" Muslims have different factions ect..

It is ok to believe differently but it is not ok to assume you are right about everything. Then it becomes more important to a person to be right and to have the last word no matter what somebody else could contribute to your experience in life.

I really resent being told that my statements are a defamation of God when they are His words in his book. Are you claiming christianity? If you are not then you can not comment on what is a defamation in my faith. I love God. I don't even think you believe in christ so why are you assaulting my faith and my lord? You can read up all you want but understanding comes with Gods aid through prayer sometimes fasting and always the Holy Spirit.

The blood thing, well it's like this...

When adam and eve brought sin into the world then God who loved us wanted to make a way for us to be close to him again because sin separates us from God. So He prophesied over eve and said that one day the devil would bite the heel of her seed and her seed would crush his head.
Then after many years of blood sacrifice, God found one who was a faithful friend to Him and called him out of his land to give him an inheritance. This would be Abraham. When Abraham had Issac God commanded him to take him to mt moriah and sacrifice him. When Abraham showed that he had faith in God and was willing to do this very thing, God made him stop and provided a ram instead. Then God said that because he was willing to offer and not withhold the most important part of his life and his inheritance by the way, then God promised that He would do the same.

Stop trying to figure out God like He has a formula.
God opperates outside of the box. He is eternal. He sees the end from the beginning but because he is holy, he allows us to make choices. And because He is holy , He keeps his promises. So, Jesus came along and died for our sins.

Now for years I always felt bad that Jesus had to go through so much suffering before and during the cross. I still do. But I understand it now.

No, I don't know if God has blood. I guess I'll figure that out later. But the old testament say that when cain killed able, his blood cried out to him from the ground. I wonder what it said? Maybe avenge me, or save me?I wonder what Jesus' blood cried out that day? "Forgive them? " only God would know that. But then later when God was giving instuction into the preparation of meat He said to cook the meat thoroughly because the life was in the blood. So my point here would be that life is in the blood. Now do you see why I am saying God had to give him his own blood? It had the life in it (the spirit.) when you bleed if you bleed to much you die. That is where your life is. wether or not you eat meat , please don't bring that up again. It is not the point.

you are missing however, this point and a lot of people don't understand it....THE TRINITY

There is God the Father whom we all recognize.
There is God the Son who sits on the right hand of God interceeding on our behalf. He is the only way to God. He said so, "For I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."
And when questioned during His trial, he was asked are you the King of the Jews? to which he responded,"I AM" The Hebrew interpretation say the words"iam" were the same hebrew words used whe God announced to moses that he was '' I AM THAT I AM"
Then there is the Spirit of God Who lives in those who believe and ask Jesus to be the Lord of their life.

When we Pray we ask God, in the name of Jesus, to do what we need Him to do. When God answers the prayer He commisions the Holy Spirit to do His work on earth.

Notice that God has never left us. He was there in the Garden where he made for man a home ect...
He made sure through sacrifice that we could still be near Him after sin came into the world.
Melchizadek was considered to be christ on earth because He had no father or mother and had great wealth that noone knew how he attained it. People paid tithes to Him also. but that is another debate!!!
Then Jesus became our sacrifice. For the joy set before Him He endured the cross.
Then, when Jesus went to heaven to sit on the right hand of God, He sent His Holy spirit to guide us and comfort us.

No, God did not NEED to experience suffering. Jesus chose it .
The reasons for all your questions have been explained.That is now where faith comes in. nobody totally understands it. You have to allow God to reveal it. The truth makes the devil angry and he will stir you up and you will more than likely tell me I am an idiot again. Oh well, not a problem.

I may have said this earlier. But God knew you would mess up and so would the rest of the world. Free will is something you do because you chose to do it or not to do it. It is up to you. That is why we need the covering of the blood on the mercy seat. It is there forever and we have but to claim it and ask God to redirect us when we mess up.

And here is a quick story to clarify Gods' reasoning behind the death of his son.

A man and his son went for a walk one day. They began to walk on the railroad tracks. When the came to the crossties were the rails would have to shift for the train to go the other way, they heard a train coming. In their hurry the boy caught his foot in the rails. The father looked up and saw that he was stuck but he also noticed that up ahead the bridge was out. So, with the train coming he knew he had to make it go the other way to save the lives of everyone on the train. But if he moved the rails his son would surely die. Either way he was goin to have to make a decision quickly . He loved on his son and asked him what to do. Daddy, I couldn't live with myself if all those people died. Do what ever you have to do. So the man loved on his son and kissed and held him as long as he dared and with tears in his eyes and a broken heart, he ran over and pulled the lever just in time. Nobody looked and nobady saw the tears, the blood or the sacrifice. They lived and went on with their lives. But the father lived with it forever. The sons' sacrifice.

This is how we are. thoughtless as to the great effort, the sweating of blood, the grief that the Father and the Son went through and still do as we run them over and go about our daily lives.
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qOLOp
Re: The cause of differences and quarrel among beliefs? Posted on: 2005/6/8 21:16

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More things to think about:
You said:
"ok. Well, christians believe that you have to be born again. That means that we are all born once of the flesh and then once we have knowledge of Christ we are accountable for that. A baby who doesn't have the chance to have knowledge is therefor exempt from this requirement. If they die before or after birth then then go straight to heaven to the arms of God."

Catholics are Christians and they don't believe in rebirth. This demonstrates that withing Christianity there is conflict of "belief." Any group can believe anything they want even though senseless and call that "the word of God."
That is a defamation of God and a defamation of intelligence, reasoning. True knowledge is consistent throughout.

You said:
"I also must object to you saying that God never took human flesh. Jesus, Yeshua, was said to be 100% God and 100% man in that His bloodline and spirit came from God but he was born of a woman and took on flesh. YOu don't believe that and that is your choice."

It is a matter of simple reasoning. Why God himself needs to experience suffering? perhaps He needs to be punished? That is not reasonable. To talk about "bloodline from God" ... what is the bloodline of a soul? Moreover to say that God is sending himself to pay for the original sin of Adam and Eve it is as irrational as saying that He is sending his own son...besides, what is the free-will that any human being has if from the beginning everyone is a "sinner"? for a "sin" that I have not performed?.. and then God sends his son or "part" of himself to "pay" this debt...This is a little too much...

Jesus gave teachings and these teachings have been misinterpreted....2000 years later things are even worse than before (even though the "debt" has been paid.)
It is time to see this with fresh new eyes.
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