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The Rapture Posted on: 2011/7/8 19:40
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Re: The Rapture Posted on: 2011/7/8 21:42
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Funny video, remove Paul/Saul as being against Christ's teachings and this isn't existent.
Check Christ's words, it's opposite; first the tares shall be burnt, then the wheat will be gathered into the barn.

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Re: The Rapture Posted on: 2011/7/15 6:21
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It amazes me that people can think they know when the rapture is going to be. The bible covers this and is very ambiguous on when it is to come. I do think that it is not far off, but I never would profess to know when. Sorry for the rant, the video just made me think of this.
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Re: The Rapture Posted on: 2011/12/30 10:41
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Regarding knowing when the day of wrath is scheduled:

Yes, Jesus said:

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the
messengers of the heavens but my Father only.

Well, did it ever occur to you, to ask the Father? If you want spiritual information, you do not go to created beings such as the angels (messengers of YHWH) or to Jesus, unless Jesus is giving us prophecy from his Father. You do not go to created beings, whether angels or the bible-thumping pain in the posterior next door, or to the greatly revered books written by idolized great authors. You want to know what's going on? Ask the Creator; don't make him jealous by going to those we love to idolize, even if they dress nicely. There are a lot of prophecies that say so:

Deuteronomy 30:10 If you will pay attention to Voice-of-YHWH-your-Elohim,
to keep his-Commandments and his-Statutes which
are written in the Scroll-of-the-Law, and if you turn to YHWH-your-Elohim
with all your heart, and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 30:11 For the-Commandment which I command you this day,
it is not hidden from you, nor is it far off.
Deuteronomy 30:12 It is not in the heavens so that you should say: Who
will go up for us to the heavens and bring it to us, that we may hear it
and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you should say: Who
will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, so that we may hear it
and do it?
Deuteronomy 30:14 But the-Word is very near to you, in your mouth and
in your heart, so that you may do it.
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Psalm 16:7-8 I will bless YHWH, who has given me counsel: and
my dreams instruct me during the nighttime.
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Psalm 99:6 Moses and Aaron among His priests, And Samuel among those proclaiming His name. They are calling to YHWH, And He does answer them.
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Isaiah 8:11 For YHWH spoke thus to me with a strong hand, and
instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying:
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the Prophets and seal the Law among my disciples.
Isaiah 8:17 And I will wait upon YHWH who hides his face from the
house of Jacob, and I will look for him.
Isaiah 8:19 Should not a people inquire of his-Elohim? [Why inquire]
of the dead for the living?
Isaiah 8:20 To the Law-and-Prophets: if they do not speak according
to the-Word, it is because there is no light in him.
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Isaiah 42:8 I-YHWH am he: my-Name and my-Glory I will not give
to another, nor my-Praise to carved-images.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things came to pass and future things, and I
declare them: before they spring forth, I will tell you(p) about them.
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Isaiah 44:7 And who, as I, will call, and will declare it, and set it in
order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? And the
things that are coming, and will come, to show to them?
Isaiah 45:11 Thus says YHWH-Holy-One-of-Israel-and-his-Creator
to you(p): Ask of me things to come concerning my sons, and
concerning the work of my hands, command me.
Isaiah 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the Earth: I
did not say to the seed of Jacob: Seek me in futility;
I-YHWH, speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
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Job 42:4 Hear, please, and I will speak: I will inquire, and you tell me.
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Isaiah 48:3 I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they
went forth out of my mouth, and I showed them; I did them
suddenly, and they came to pass.
Isaiah 48:5 I have even from the beginning declared it to you; before it
came to pass I showed it to you, lest you should say: my-idol
has done them, and my-carving, and my-molten-image,
has commanded them.
Isaiah 48:6 You have heard and seen all this; and will you(p) not declare it?
I have shown you new things from this time, even hidden
things, and you did not know of them.
Isaiah 48:7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; and not
before the day when you heard them; lest you should say:
Behold, I knew them.
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Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of YHWH been revealed?
Isaiah 55:6 Seek you [pl.] YHWH, while He is found, Call Him, while He is near,
11 My word that goes out of My mouth, It turns not back to Me empty, But has done that which I desired, And prosperously effected that [for] which I sent it.
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Jeremiah 29:13 And you(p) will seek me and find me, when you(p) search
for me with all your(p) heart.
Jeremiah 29:14 And I will be found by you(p), an averment of YHWH:
Jeremiah 33:2 Thus says;
YHWH-the-maker-YHWH-the-former-to-establish-it; YHWH is
his-Name;
Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me, and I will answer you, and show you great and
mighty things, which you do not know.
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Daniel 2:29 As for you, your thoughts came into your mind upon your
bed, what should come to pass in the future: and he, the
One-revealing-the-secrets makes known to you what will come to pass.
Daniel 2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any
wisdom that I have superior to that of anyone living, but for the purpose
that the interpretation will be revealed … that
you might know the thoughts of your heart.
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Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return to YHWH, for he has torn, and
he will heal us; he has wounded, and he will bind us up.
Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us; in the third day he will
raise us up, and we will live in his sight.
Hosea 6:3 Then will we know, if we go on to know YHWH; his
going forth is waiting like the morning; and he will come to
us as the rain, as the latter and former rain to the Earth.
Hosea 12:10 And I have spoken to the prophets, And I have multiplied vision, And by the hand of the prophets I use similes [parables].
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Joel 2:28 And it will come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my
spirit upon all flesh; and your(p) sons and your(p) daughters will
prophesy, your(p) old men will dream dreams, your(p) young men
will see visions:
Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into
blood, before the great and terrible day-of-YHWH.
Joel 2:32 And it will come to pass, that whoever will call on the
Name-of-YHWH will be delivered: for in mount Zion and in the
Jerusalem will be deliverance, as YHWH has said: for
remnant whom YHWH will call.
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Amos 3:6 Will a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people will not be
afraid? Will there be evil in a city, and YHWH has not caused it?
Amos 3:7 Surely my-Adonai-YHWH will do nothing until he first reveals
his secret to his servants the-prophets.
Amos 4:13 For truly, he who made the mountains, who creates the wind,
and who declares to man his thoughts; who makes the morning into
darkness, and treads upon the high places of the Earth,
YHWH-Elohim-of-hosts is his-Name
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Matthew 7:7-9 Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find;
knock, and it will be opened to you:
Matthew 7:8 for every one who asks receives; and he who seeks
finds; and to him who knocks it will be opened.

The upshot of this is, if you seek wholeheartedly and do NOT go to the human authorities for spiritual matters, you have a promise from Yahweh that he will answer you; the length of time is sometimes given as within ten days, to three weeks, tops. The most common way is dreaming that some friendly messengers are telling you the answer in a dream; then a heavenly voice awakens you, and though the dream may fade, if you sit and think on it, the answer appears clearly; or, if there is doubt, you can ask for a sign and for a stronger, clearer repetition of the answer. But if you know clearly what you want to know, and you ask wholeheartedly and humbly but strongly insist on an answer and do not go and compare Yahweh to some apostle or sage, he answers.

This, by the way, is a 'testable hypothesis', as scientists put it. I'm acquainted with the scientific method. I suggest taking the books of commentaries and papal bulls and talmud and statements of what Christians believe, etc. etc. and put those in a box and tape it shut; tell no one about it, or you have to contend with their opinions; then read, and find some absolutely impenetrable prophetic passage, and, like a little kid, ask insistently, daily before sleeping, WHAT IT MEANS. Remember, he commands us to COMMAND him, to tell us what it means. Maybe in a few days you begin to dream about it. That's good. And then, you might even be awakened by a heavenly voice calling your name, often loudly, with a resounding ambient sound resembling a waterfall or large rapids of water. It may well nearly scare the @#$% out of you, from time to time. That's what David was talking about, instructions in dreams; or see ! Samuel 3 for a really good and typical example of the heavenly voice. The voice is usually just a wake up call, though. But, if you have a humble, curious, child-like attitude about this stuff, try this: figure out what you would consider clear and definite proof, and then insist on this, and see what happens. Faith is not required; just wholehearted desire for knowledge and humility and active curiosity. Personally, I really did not expect any response; what happened was far beyond any personal minimal requirement for authenticity; that is, the answer was so resounding it blew me away and left me in shock for days. I wanted something very clear, and I got way more than I expected — which is what he promises. (It is also possible to inquire of the answers to unsolved problems in high-energy physics and get a response.) The humility thing is important; I knew of a lady who on occasion met with these messengers, and once she 'smarted off' to them, and they gave her a good whacking in return; she says, be careful of your attitude, be very careful. That, by the way, is what the scriptures are for; they are a manual for us, for how to conduct ourselves when inquiring of our Elohim. On one hand, it is truly dangerous if done foolishly; but on the other hand, we are urged to 'inquire of Yahweh' at least 70 or 80 times throughout the Law and Prophets. But, don't believe me, go try it for yourself a couple of weeks to see if I am wrong.
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