Reply To Aaron Abke Vs The Trinity

Posted by wizanda on 1760622460

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@aaronabke - Firstly the Trinity is a silly concept, as Biblically in ancient times, there was a Divine Council who were known as the Sons of God.

Revelation 4-5 is trying to reiterate what we find in religion globally, that there are 24 Elders/Elohim, who surround the Throne of God Almighty.

There are also 7 Spirits, 4 Beasts, and a host of other Angelic beings within the Bible that are all part of the Oneness of God; so simplifying it into three within the Trinity, doesn't add up.

In Deuteronomy 32:7-9 'when El Elyon (God Most High) separated the nations among the Elohim/Sons of God, he gave the nation of Israel to YHVH.' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyon#%CA%BDEly%C5%8Dn_standing_alone

After Babylon the Jewish leaders muddled up the language to refuse the Canaanite's polytheism - yet in the process making the Bible henotheistic; where 'YHVH Eloh' is not God, it is the 'Divine Being who makes Become' i.e. the Creator.

If we get Esword Bible software, put in Strongs numbers into a KJV+ search, it gives us a Hebrew root indexing system.

When we word search 'Yeshua - Salvation' (H3444), and 'to see' (H7200), plus 'Yeshua' (H3444) and 'to become' (H1961) it opens up the Bible.

H1961 is used in Exodus 3:14 as a 'memorial' to the people, that when the Lord says it will become something, it will become it.

H3444 (Yeshua) + H1961 (To become) = Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) + Isaiah 33:2-6, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 51:6-8.

H3444 (Yeshua) + H7200 (To see) = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon).

It was prophesied that 'the Lord will become our Salvation' (Exodus 15:2), where we see the Salvation of God separate the Red Sea in Exodus 14:13...

The Song of Moses is continued in Psalms 118:14+21 'that the Lord will become our Salvation, and become the Chief Corner Stone, that the Builders will reject.'

The early Church, and Ebionite's ideas were heavily influenced by Simon's Pharisaic misunderstandings: who Yehoshua only called "petros" once in Matthew 16:13-23 and straight after called him "Satan" - fulfilling Zechariah 3; as he would be like a Pebble who was a Stumbling Stone to the world (Zechariah 3:9, Isaiah 8:14).

Simon in the Book of Acts 2:14-39 declares that Christ from his death, was adopted into being at the right hand side of God; yet when we study the Tanakh's prophecy, it's clear that the spirit of the Lord was interacting through King David.

This is where in Zechariah 12:8-10, it is David who returns, and the people mourn for piercing King David, who is now like 'an Elohim (Avatar/Divine) Being before the people'.

We're meant to build upon the Rock of Salvation, where Yeshua is prophesied as a Divine Being before he was born (Deuteronomy 32:15, Psalms 62:2, Psalms 62:6, Psalms 89:26).

Part of the dilemma is El and Eloh are not the same thing (Isaiah 46:9, Deuteronomy 32:7-18), El is the Source of reality, and Eloh is a Divine Being breathed by Source - which is why the additional H is added to the word.

Like Abram became Abraham, and Sara became Sarah, when the Breath of God was breathed into them.

Yeshua was claiming to fulfil prophecy that made him an Elohim, yet the Jews didn't understand the language properly at that time; where when Yeshua said "Eli Eli" people thought he was calling for Elijah (Matthew 27:46-47), because they would have said "Elohi Elohi."

I agree Yeshua is the Flesh of David with the Spirit of the Lord placed upon him (Isaiah 42:1), yet we then have to take into account that at the return, the Messiah is named after the Creator (Matthew 23:39, Psalms 118:26).

Does that make the Messiah into God in the flesh, no, as God is always the Source of reality; does it make the Messiah the Creator (YHVH), no, as the Creator is the Arm of God, interacting with the reality at a metaphysical level; it makes the Messiah into the Hand of God interacting as the King of Kings, as God's ambassador within the reality.

This is only a start of some of the details, and I appreciate your efforts to correct Church history; plus that you're sharing a Living Gospel, rather than a 'Covenant of Death'.