Very intelligently and responsibly spoken, Suzy. Let it mean to you whatever it means to you, and let no one else change your mind... but at the same time do not stop looking for truth. Life is a journey. We're given a puzzle full of missing pieces and we're placed in an ocean full of possible answers. It's up to us.

Soon enough though, we will have another thing to ponder that will come out of the scientific community. Then we all will have to re-invent ourselves... or stick even harder to our faiths. Yet, somehow I think we're ready for this, and even if we aren't... someday we'll have to be.

Scripture, yet you do not specify which book, so I will just choose one from my collection this morning...

Let's go with a King James Version.

Angels are indeed messengers of the Lord and are spoken of in the epistle to the Hebrews as "ministering spirits" the reference leads us to,

(Hebrews 1:14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

It is said there are two types of heavenly beings who minister for the Lord. There are those who are spirits and those who have flesh bodies. Either they have yet to receive a flesh body or have once had such a body and have now passed on beyond a need for one and are the light and sound Wizanda speaks so eloquently in the higher kingdoms of heaven, for they too await ressurection and a new assignment.

In the Old Testament angels are talked about in some of the passsages as the "angels of the Lord" who have the power to speak by the voice of God himself. (Gen. 22:11-12)

This is the story of an angel calling out from the heavens to Abraham telling him it is not necessary to sacrafice his son and instead he finds a ram caught in a thicket, which he offers as a burnt offering instead of his son.

The word angel is sometimes used to designate a human messenger. (Gen. 19 or Matthew 13: 39-42)

There is evidence in the Bible that nonmortal beings served God in Heaven as well. (1 Kings 22:19)

There are still others who do God's will here on Earth and minister to man. (Gen. 28:12, 32: 1-2; Sam. 24:16; 1 Kings 19 5-7; 2 Kings 1:15; 19-35 and Psalms 91:11)

I invite you to ponder these things...

The Sadducees did not believe in supernatural beings, but The Pharisees believed in both angels and spirits, which Paul then used to his advantage when brought before the Sanhedrin. (Acts 23: 7-9)

Upon saying this the groups were divided. Let the division of man be known. How then do we strive to end the division in this dispensation and create unity? What will it take?

Later revelation appears in John of fallen angels in both (Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6).

The word angel is used in many ways. Some believe they all have wings, while others know that this is just not truth in every variety. For some seeing is believing. For I say to you in my own words that indeed a flesh person and a spiritual luminescent personage can be a divine messenger of God, called upon to make sacrafice and to serve all of humanity and this has been so for many ages. Each variety of angel is called to serve as needed.

Awakened to their true purpose and nature one by one. The choice of how to serve and fulfill promises and assignments accepted falls upon the angel who arrives with such a purpose. How they will proceed once given direction and consciousness awakened is up to them. Afterall, Earth is a free will planet and some angels remain in self deluded states and never fulfill their destinies. Some hide their eyes and close off their ears, while others shut their mouths holding wisdom within. While still others proceed through life as if they were never given two hands to serve. If you ponder it long enough you may recognize an angel or two. Those who serve and those who fail to follow through. Do those who fail to serve fear the responsibilities? Do they act out of ego and fear? Have they just forgotten their agreement? For those who do, what motivates them to follow their hearts and surrender so much in doing so? Are they seen as insane by others who judge them without wisdom?

It is up to you and your discernement to decide if angels live among you, serve you and guide you. No one else shall be granted the will to make this judegement for you. Let not my words sway you either way. What I ask humbly is for you to look into your own heart and soul and ponder the scriptures you have in your own two hands and consider all possibilities.

I say these things to you in Peace and Love,
SuZyq

Greetings, pleased to meet you Blah blah blah! I am certain we will soon meet up again. Enjoy!

Love and Gratitude,
SuZyq

Ok then I will start an official thread to continue this and I will challenge anyone whether or not Paul is indeed Anti-Christ.
For this thread though, I ask you:

Do you get an inheritance as Christ died for you?

Works don't count, if you have Christ?

As I know both of these are 100%, if you answer yes..........
You don't follow Yeshua!
I suggest reading some of the articles as you follow Paul!

This is my point Christ said works count and when the son of man comes you will be judged by them!

Paul said works don't so how can you follow the Pharisees and Christ???
Wake up!!
He told you not to follow the Pharisees and here you are telling me, you will follow them?

Now Christ told the parable of the vine dressers son and how they would kill the son, so they could steal the inheritance.

Who taught this Pharisees, who 1st Caiaphas, 2nd it is recorded in the book of John.
Who wrote the book of John?
The Pharisees as clearly is evident and not a disciple, as it even tells you at the end, "this is taken from a disciple, so we know it is true."
The other parts is that there are many accounts, in John that only a member of the Pharisees or Jewish high council; would have known, i.e. John Nicodemus or Nicolaitans

So on both of these two your future rests, for eternal life??

As Christ told you that those who killed the vine dressers son............what will happen to them when the owner learns they killed his son, they will be chucked out.

Who taught you that? Paul and John..........Pharisees!

Also I would read the potters field article I have written, as that is far better then I can do to show it was a set up for the daft shepherds.

Anyways as Suzy was saying unity is better and I am sorry for going on one as such.

It is just we will never have unity world wide while the Pharisee doctrine remains.
This is why we have a post like this started off, as with people all turned to different paths and not a clear one to follow.
Because instead of the Bible being clear it is full of holes and contradictions due to the Pharisees?
So then people get confused.
I advice you miss out all of John and Paul and make far more sense.
Oh make that the books of Simon Peter(stone) as well, Christ was plummet line to messure not the rock.
God is the rock in Isaiah, so what right do non-prophets and anyone really have to change this?