Please everyone try to talk in a kind fashion to each other.

Now I disagree with bashing anyone, as many Christians do with the Bible and what's more mainly Pharisees doctrine.

If it was Yeshua that people followed they would realise he said:
Luke 17:20-21 and being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, the kingdom of God cometh not with observation: (21) neither shall they say, Lo, here! Or, There! For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

So in some ways Bob is correct, yet not in all senses.

Now Paul said that the anti-Christ would say this, yet Paul is the anti-Christ, as he contradicts almost all of Christ teachings in some way making him anti-Christ.

The comments you have post against Bob, are harsh, and a harsh word stirs anger.
Bob like wise try not to offend rather guide if you can.

Bob's ideology is the same for most of India, as they say that God is everything and so there fore we are part of God. They respect that each person is on a separate path to enlightenment and discovery of whom and what they are.

Yet God is the supreme creator i.e. Brahma, every single thing is a reflection of this.
Not that every single thing is this, as it created all things, so is well above all that we can conceive.

Hinduism also states that God has no image, yet is all things, so there fore can not take one image alone, if that makes sense.

Now if you wish to help each other, try to guide each other, not shout at each other, please.

Now this is not bashing, rather guiding please read this:

Why Christ isn't a sacrifice!!

As the fact you say Yeshua is a payment for your sins, shows that you are currently under Pharisees doctrine and not following him.

Also when you have read that please, have a look through the other articles, because as I have explained in other threads, I am the angel in revelations 10. Meaning that this site is to show many nations and many kings, yet at present we need to sort out the Pharisees doctrine, as it causes conflict and fear to spread.

Also the name (Jesus) is a swear word in ancient Hebrew, Yeshua means 'salvation' in modern Hebrew and in ancient Hebrew it means 'to show the way of worship and to leave a hook in time'.

Currently the world is deceived by what Babylon established and changed, making it the great harlot.

So if you really do follow God and Yeshua, I ask you to read the articles.

Peace N love B with U

to bobgod

I hate that you think that you are a god. You are not mine, thank MY GOD! You are very ill in your spirit to be so sarcastic and rude.

We christains never put Jesus on the cross, we worshipped God that Jesus ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!! You really don't have to believe that. That is free will. You have made a decision that will effect your eternity. Some of what you say, is right about how to live. But in your athiestic world that you seem to dwell in, you have limited yourself and became just as hard-headed and dogmatic about your "faith" as anyone who believes in God.

Just a reminder " the fool has said in his heart, 'there is no God' " Proverbs, I believe.

I believe in my abilities but I rest in the FACT that God is in control if I ALLOW Him to be. If He asks me to do something, I do. And I have heard His voice and I am not crazy.

There is a lot of christain bashing on this site and that is what makes for hard feelings.

I believe the name of Jesus is holy. He is the son of God. He was the sacrifice for our sins and lives again, to rule and reign with Him. To be an intercessor for us.

I have no hard feelings, but some aparently do. What is sad to me is that you have hardened your heart to the possiblity of a Creator. That makes you very single-minded.

Like wise it is nice to talk to someone who is educated!

What I mean in terms of symbiosis is not just the way we interact.

Yet many things with in nature I.E.
We breathe out carbon dioxide and plants need it to grow, Plants change from breathing out oxygen in the day, when we need it to breath and a night carbon dioxide, so as to keep a balance.

Plants need phosphates and nitrates to grow, our bodies convert what we eat into these, not that it is pure waste yet we make what plants need to cultivate.

So how could these have come about, unless it was intended?

In other words the painter had a Good idea, of what it was painting before hand.

This is the bit that gets me, I saw on a documentary about rain forests.

Leaves fall off the trees, and then something large eats them, gets rid of it as waste, something smaller then eats the waste, then something smaller. Till it is reduced down to microscopic energy, then the fungus absorbs what is left and then the trees feed through the fungus, which connects the whole forests energies back in a full circle.

Now that is clever, so if that occurs here that all matter is recycled
Also we now know that it does in the universe i.e. black holes absorb dense matter and put it back as ultra violet light, which isn't matter.
Unless you know any other scientific discovery to where the matter goes when it is absorbed by a black hole? As that is a lot of energy, that you would think needed to be converted in some way.

That's here in this picture, yet to truly answer this question, we have come to some agreement on what created the basic forms of atoms and structures, that all of this is.
You see the painter is infinitely logical as this appears prearranged, for to say any of it formed by chance especially atoms is illogical, as I see it.

Also if you re-read what I put in the lines post, I was describing how God formed God's self in the beginning, I am not naively saying God is eternal, as God must have come from some where. I have taken my head to many levels out side of consciousness, to try and stick it into terms, I can understand and still there is more. If that makes sense questioning each question with a question, so what made that if that made that, ECT.

It's like even if we were in the matrix and it was a computer system, someone must have made that, and who made them, and who made that.

We have to find somewhere to end this and so we can find a beginning, and as I now see, it is as I spoke in the lines post.
As this is the way cells form and many microscopic organisms and if you know the Tao Te Ching, it is the small things that make the big things. So if something interacts on a small level in such a way, it does on a larger level on many occasions.

Any way I am going off track trying to explain and I am getting tired, yet do you see my point?

Peace N love B with U

Good questions.
I believe I understand what you mean.
When you ask the question: "What caused it to exist?" You are asking for a reason "to be" but more important, a particular point in time. It is the same if you believe that the "big bang" caused the existence of the universe. What caused it to exist? How hydrogen and helium got together and exploded? who made them in motion? and more important, what existed before the explotion? and before those things and so on ...ad infinitum... The same holds true if you believe that a "supernatural being" created the universe. What caused it to exist? and before the existence of the universe? Some respond: There was nothing. Why it had to be something? If nothing was there, where was God? and If God was there, then "nothing" never existed... besides who created God? how He came into existence?

Why it is easy to say " God is eternal", meaning God has no beginning and no end. Always existed, but then it is so difficult to understand that matter has always existed as the law of conservation of energy affirms.

As far as thinking that existence has a reason or a utility is just a matter of perception. Animals are not catter for anything unless you find a meaning to it. A painter painting a picture can make the biggest mess, however; for some it will be called art. What I see whith my eyes are not what actually exist but a perception of it through my physical senses. An incomplete picture of what exist at a particular point in time, which will change as time passes by in interaction with other material entities. You call it symbiosis because you see differences betwen entities, I may call it " ..." because I see that something cannot exist by itself.. it is the same matter in different arrangement. This is the old Ying -Yang. You can perceive both polarities as opposites. I can perceive them as complementary, someone may say: " they are both, complementary and opposite at the same time".. but we know that THAT cannot be. You can only be one thing but no the other at the same time.... Like I said before, ALL depends on your stage of consciousness.
Mathematics is just a way to interpret the world around us, the physical world, which are limited by physical laws. Mathematics cannot go beyond that, it is very limited. Mathematics cannot understand what is beauty, for instance; however, we have experience it. It is about consciousness and to go beyond is about soul consciousness rather then body consciousness.
Thank you for such an interesting talk.