ok i will repeat my self, as you still haven't looked at the thread the 13 dimensions.

1st length
2nd width
3rd depth
4th time and space
5th gravity
6th matter
7th anti-matter
8th infinity
9th chaos
10th the universe, all that exists with in a physical plain, zion
11th love
12th wisdom
13th God

If you read the post it is explained better, with how it is inline with both the commandments in The Bible and the I-Ching.
These levels i also saw when i died within the spiritual side of reality.

Past level 10 is what is called heaven or its true name oneness!

So what you are on about with the law of matter, this goes well beyond that.

Each level consists of quarks or spirit as it appered to me,
So God is not just one spirit, yet the center of the universe holding all spirit togther, as a dimension must contain the others.

It is a sham-us can't get past the 1st part of what reality consists of, to be able to disscus the meaning of life?

As far as i can see, from all that i have seen and read, it is here, to see if people can learn the last levels within there life times.

Peace B with U all

Dear Sir, please see below.

"The law of conservation of energy is never considered by theists to be above and beyond God, but God Himself created it and is over it".
answer:
Matter is not created neither destroyed, it only transforms. WHat part of this LAW is not clear? Theist may choose to believe something. The fact is, this law exists and I have not made it up. It is irrational not to consider this. As a matter of fact, God exists, it is real but he doesn't deal with matter. He is a soul just like you and me, therefore; eternal... just like matter, it is eternal too because you cannot create it neither destroy it.

. "So your argument is a strawman".

Answer: Proof? "Theist" believing something is not a proof.

"Then also, the second law of thermodynamics contradicts your "eternal matter" viewpoint, as does the impossibility of transversing an actual infinite."
Answer:
Again Sir, show me how. How the second law of thermodynamics contradicts the eternal matter view point.
If your argument is reasonable, then you are correct.. otherwise, is just a belief.

Once you understand that matter is not created neither destroyed and all the implications behind it, you will see that all the matter (quantity) that exists now has always existed; therefore, it is finite. why? because you cannot create "new matter" see? There is not such a thing as "infinite" but eternal.

Thank you for posting.

creationism and evolutionism are both wrong.
As stated before, Both believe in linear time thus they cannot explain this simple question: who came first, the chicken or the egg? this is the same question that Stephen Hawkins asked, the same question that western philosophies and believes have pretended to know the answer.

"Matter is not created neither destroyed, it can only be transformed" This is a Law of our physical world. It was stated by Lavoisseur. Later explained by Einstein E=mc2 , where energy can be transformed into matter. This physical law explains clearly that matter cannot be created. Why do we still think that God created matter? Judeo-Christian believes are not consistent with this law, neither evolution.

Eastern believes on the other hand, have offered the answers to these questions way before judeaism took place. Scholars nowdays agree that Asia, specifically India is the oldest culture of all, China is right there too. The oldest cultures, the oldest wisdom form the east have been conveniently forgotten.
God is in the realm of the unlimited. God is a soul just like us. Souls do not deal with matter. All scriptures were written by human beings. All of them have mistakes. It is time to realize that faith is not blind, but rather; faith in the intellect in our reasoning is what will allow us to recognize God. After all, reasoning is what makes us search for God, the ultimate. God is a reality.

The law of conservation of energy is never considered by theists to be above and beyond God, but God Himself created it and is over it. So your argument is a strawman. Then also, the second law of thermodynamics contradicts your "eternal matter" viewpoint, as does the impossibility of transversing an actual infinite.

To the poster further above. You're not going to come up with the "universal faith" with such uneducated and wild speculations as the above. God creating Himself...? He'd have to exist before He existed in order to be self created. That's absurd. If we are going to allow total irrationality into the picture in the higher levels of our thinking, why not just start with irrationality from the begining. Waitaminute..., that's what most of you have done. You're right, irrationality is a universal. It allows for absolute syncretism, and solves nothing.

Benjamin