If the list of the different beast in Daniel is different kingdoms that rose up and took control i.e. Alexander the great, Mongolian and Roman Empire being the metal beast.
If that is right, does that mean that the 1st beast in revelations is the Roman Empire as indeed it was a beast of metal? The second beast that takes its power would be all Christian churches, which have continued the teachings passed on to Rome. This would make sense on a number of factors as they indeed did change time, as we now, still have the Roman calendar. They introduced the need to census people and this is still being done. The Roman Empire had a council of rich elders who ruled, and people needed to pay taxes to employ the elders.
If this is so, this would also confirm the age of kali (age of metal) for the Hindus as indeed most of the world is still currently ruled by the roman empires principle; under the disguise of being by Christ.
Does anyone know of a good site, to help with what the symbolic references are in Daniel, as the part in revelations is easy to say, yes it is the Christian churches which have influenced our political system to be like that of the roman empire. They also are easy to say that yes they are the children of the mother of all harlots as they teach to worship Christ. They pass on the drinking of wine (blood) which is a sin and is clearly prophesied to be the city built on blood shed.
Anyways what do people think?

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If it says man, how can this be a spiritual force, as people describe?

Definition of Lucifer is:
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If this dictionary says that Lucifer was a king of Babylon and what is contained in Isaiah is also referring to Lucifer as being a king of Babylon, when does a man become this force you speak of?

There is a Zen saying, "When you get on the donkey, remember you got on the donkey".

I have E-Sword with a lot of the current Bible translations, yet I can't find where Lucifer is all the way through the Bible?

Please take a step back from what you have been taught to believe, as the first will be last and the last will be first. As many have got on the slow donkey, which is going the wrong way.

What happens, when you fight your own ego? It gets stronger!
What happens, the more you believe there is a devil? It gets stronger!
What happens when you want to follow Christ and be perfect as God is and that the kingdom of heaven is within you, as Christ told us to do? The Pharisees tell you follow them and you are a sinner, so you follow them and forget to follow the words of Christ, which tells you don't follow the Pharisees!

If you follow what Christ said, the Ego has no power over you, as you give up the self! Yet if you doubt as Paul did and teaches, then you will always have a constant battle with your own ego, being your own accuser and deceiver of even your own spirit.

I will play chess later with you, I am just finishing some articles, yet if we are going to play, is it a rook or a castle?
As changing the name of it all the time will get confusing, in other words who or where does it say, Lucifer is Satan or the serpent was the devil? Its like saying the bishop is the rook and the pawn is the king, let's stick to the rules and if it is called a pawn, it is a pawn, not a king.
Hope you can see what I mean; we have to stick to the facts, not assumptions of our forefathers.

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I am not 100% with this, yet I do believe that when Yeshua died he went to the basement of the universe, and then God pulled him up from there, so creating a basement level to reality. As to make it that there was no where for such a thing to exist. Now the only problem is that we choose to follow it as if truth and so create it.
Look around where does bad come from?
People's ego, what is ego?
The outer shell we produce for our self's, due to pain in the past.

So if each person judged them selves and got over these; we would slowly make it heaven on earth.
While we have a devil to fight against, then there is something to blame, instead of take responsibility for all our actions. We don't get very far; have a look at our history. See the effects it has had on our history having this devil idea i.e. the burning of people as witches, black people are evil and all the rest of the nonsense that has been spread.

Comparison is the start of disease!