To Bill613, thats a good question. It depends on wat christian religion you are referring to. Sunday keepers have a different Jesus, than sabbath keepers. And the bible tells us, there are different christs. By this, I mean that, if Satan materialized and pretended to be Jesus; saying, "yes I have changed ths 7th day sabbath to sunday sacredness". Then this "jesus" is the anti-messiah. If this "Jesus" said that all souls are immortal, then this would be the anti-messiah.. Because the bible teaches saturday sacredness, and that man is not immortal, unless Yashua and the Father, give you immortality.

Now a vision was given to a sister White in the early 1900's about satan manifesting as jesus. She said she saw he would appear exactly as the description given in Revelations 1: 13-16 - And there was one like the son of man, his hair and head was white like wool, and white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire. And his feet like fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters. He had in his right hand seven stars and out of his mouth a sharp two edged sword. His countenance was like the sun in its greatest strength.

This is what satan will look like when he manifests as Jesus, and his doctrine will be sunday sacredness and immortality of all souls. This is the christ of sunday keeping churches, or at least the doctrines they preach, so they will fall in line with satan, especially if he is allowed to impersonate Yashua from a biblical reference like Revelations 1:13-16.. Now sabbath keeping christians will know this is a false christ, because only the sabbath is sacred and we know man is not immortal, we will not follow or believe this brilliant entity is Jesus, but will know this is satan pretending to be Jesus. The sunday keeping churches are setting themselves up for a fall, by the doctrines they preach. Its too bad too, because many dear, wonderful people are trapped in these stuctures who truely love the Lord. God has an answer to all of this, his ways are higher than ours, and his wisdom is better than ours. God has a plan, to counter Lucifer/satan manifesting like this. It will be the New Jerusalem landing on earth to start up the kingdom of God age, spoken of in Dan 2:44..

That was a good question Bill613, I can only hope you find this answer. You might be gone now..peace

point # 1-Yes god created the world and declared it good. But later the devil possessed the serpant and sin came in. It was at that time Adam and Eve were forced from the Garden, so they couldnt eat of the tree of life anymore. Now your point about saying, "God said this creation is good" doens not prove theres no devil, because he came after God said that. The devil came after God said that!

point # 2 - you said, that satan appeared to God, in job.. And he is asked, "where do you come from?" satan replys, I come from earth! Then you go on to say that proves there is no devil, but only ego from the earth, that manifested as satan or something, to petition God for Job.. But that doesnt make sense, because satan is the prince of earth now. Yahshau tells us that, with his own words.

Also satan can go to the moon, mars, ect.. he just happened to be on earth, and seeing Job; wanted him.. So he goes to where God is at and petitions him.. You do not make sense, your logic doenst work at all, like this.

Point # 3 - you said peoples ego make them say christ is God.. But I disagree, people say that because Yashua said, I and the Father are on.. When we say Yashua is God, we mean he is diety, but not the Father.. Thats a seperate entity altogether.. But both are diety, or Gods, if ya will. But there is only one God, which is the Father. The bible tells us there are many Gods, but only one Father! Actauuly there are 4 dietys, The father, Mother, Son and Daughter! Or Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost! Again your case falls apart, because christians are using Jesus own words when He says he is diety. And he is diety, just like the Father!

Point #4 You said, to believe a being oppossed to God exists, is nieve.. But we get this belief from recorded history in the new and old testament.. It tells us, that lucifer became proud, and started war in heaven, Yashua says he saw him fall from heaven, like lighting.. These are Yashuas words. In ezekial 28:18-20 it tells us of a future event that describes a fire coming from the midst of satan, and he will be burned up in front of the saints. This same being is described as trying to take over Gods throne, leading a revolt in Heaven itself, walking on the sea of glass, and the stones of fire. It wants to sit in the congregation of the sides of the north; and is described in revelations as the devil, satan, and the serpent as being the same thing. Now ego cannot sit in a throne, walk on the sea of glass and start a war, unless it has a body to work thru.

In this case its the body of a fallen angel, or Lucifer/satan.. all this is in the bible and spoken by
Yashua and Yahweh, not mankinds words, but their own words.. So your points about this fall flat and have no power or force, because its a bold faced lie.

You cant go against Yahshua and Yahwehs own words and expect people to believe you at all. It makes you look like a quack.. I really believe you are a mind controlled victom Wiz, something is not right with the way you try and make your points. You make a point, then destroy it; all in the same breath. That sounds like multipole personalitys to me? wat do you think?

Are you even capable of following anything I said here? And for how long can you hold it, before something changes the original perception? You get real humble real quick, when you feel someone is picking on you.. But you set yourself up by taking things out of context, denying the very words of The Father and Yahshua about the devil, you set yourself up for an attack. Then you act all humble and such, like, "hey they are picking on me agian".. But you do this to yourself, because your logic is seriously flawed.. you set people up to do this to you, by your deiel of Gods own words, by taking things out of context, ect.

You dont believe Christs own words about satan, and ya consistanty say one thing, then in the same breath, reverse wat ya said. This is one heck of a mess. I am trying to help you out here. But I am not sure I can.. Not if your a monarch mind controlled victom. Set up to create a web site to draw metaphysical christians in, to find out wat they know, by spinning them like this, which makes us go deeper into areas we want to keep hidden, because we know they are looking for us, and wat we know. It would be a perfect way to do it, using you like this. Thats probably is wats goinbg on. You might belong to the Cia, or M1-6, or secret mind controll, organizations.. but you wouldnt know that, because your front personality they created for you, wouldnt let you know that. Something is going on here, and its all about you!!! Who are you really?

Father, I ask you restore Wiz, back to his original personality, and block forever the return of any alternate personalitys, that seem to be using his body like this. Restore this soul back, as you originly meant it to be. I come against any programming and destroy it forever, from ever using this body again. In Christs mighty name, I seal this before the throne of the Father, as I bind it on earth, in this persons body and soul. I cannot do much more that pray about this to you Father, its up to you now, to take it from here. Use your strong arm and deliver Wizanda from this apparent multiple personlaity. Restore his logic back to him, in wisdom and truth.. I also come against whoever is controlling Wizanda and did this to him, I ask for the Father to send retribution and to stop them, to those who did this, by withdrawing "the breath" from them.. I also ask for a complete annialation of all data collected by using him like this. I ask the disks, hard drives, and wherever else its stored at, to be totally annialated. Please do this Father, annialate the data, and those hiding behind Wizanda, and are using him like this. Thats for the human level. If theres a spiritual level involved, I ask Father, that you bind and stop them, from ever using wizanda ever again. I ask you destroy them totally, however you do these things, for this abuse. Enough is enough. Do it Father, just do it...In Yahshaus mighty name, amen..

Yep, you are geeting a good dose of knowledge David.. Its my understanding that last year, heavons forces started pushing satan, and his created entitys and empire; they are being pushed out of our universe, and several astral plaNES. THEY ARE BEING PUSHED TO EARTH, DAVID; THE FINAL BATTLEGROUND, OR ARMAGIDDEN. I dont know how many years its going to take. Our universe is pretty big..

This info about this war, that started last yr is put out by the goup who go by , The keys of Enoch.. They are very metaphysical and Yahshua oriented. JJ Hurtech was supposedly contacted in the early 70,s and given truths, Or keys; to prepare a group of people for the arrival of the New Jerusalem. I have found two other groups that Heavenly forces are preparing also. The living wavesheaf and those at Weslaco, Tx. These groups dont know about each others, but I know about all 3 of them. There are probably more too, that heavens forces are preparing.

All these various groups, who dont know about each others, will be brought together when the New Jurusalem lands on earth. At least thats the way it looks to me. All of these groups have had fantstic UFo encounters, that cant be denyied. Two of them have "contact", and one of them is the living personification of the Fathers and Mothers essence. There are 2 high priests in the old testament who always did the rites. Ther is to be two high priets who are an anti-type of this, in the last generation. One will be male, and the other female; to adaqualty represent the God head in its fullness. Ufos constantly watch these two all the time, as the end draws nearer.

The ODF, or Outer Dimensional Forces, are made up of heavens ufos. They number in the hundreds of thousands, if not in the millions. Its my understanding many of them are now lined up at the north and south poles, to keep the axis from shifting any farther. In the near future, they will shift the axis back to where it belongs, probably when the new Jerusalem comes to earth. Man there is so much info about this now. I cant believe how blessed we are.

Regarding religion, dont fret to much about it.. Just be a good person, following the example of Yahshua, thats all you need. Its about love, and peace, and joy!! God bless you David, your one of a kind! Aint we all..lol

Hey, I was accidently spelling that wrong, its Yahshua, not Yeshua. Thanks for correcting me. Yah is the first part of the Fathers name, so every time we speak of Yahshua, we are referencing the Father also.. How neat!